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Antique, Vintage, Classic? Depends On What You’re Collecting

Christian Braun obsesses over collectibles and antiques and toys more than the average person, but in a productive way.


 

“Antique, Vintage, Classic Batman Clock, Correct Twice a Day. $50.”

Aside from parsing that description to determine that this clock doesn’t run, but will be accurate at 8:58 AM and PM, what does that mean?

janex batman robin clock

Holy Gimcrack!

What about “antique,” “vintage,” and “classic?” As collectors, we see and use these terms often, sometimes interchangeably. What to they mean, exactly? As it turns out, there is no “perfect” definition for these words. But they do hold meaning relative to each other.

Historically (and there’s another word we’ll need to parse), “Antique” has meant objects that are 100 year old or more. “Vintage” has generally meant older than 15 years. So “Classic” must mean… well, it’s complicated.

“Antique” and “Vintage” carry a set time frame, regardless of historic or aesthetic value. “Classic,” on the other hand, just means “it has stood or will stand the test of time,” regardless of age.

And “Historic…” What about that? “Historic” is often used as a positive term, but really means that something was a game changer, a revolution, a show stopper for some reason. And not necessarily for good reasons. The Ford Edsel has to be considered a “historic” car because of its massive failure. And over time, it has also achieved “classic” status. Whether the car is remembered for being good/bad/ugly/beautiful remains debatable. “Classic,” sure. “Historic,” absolutely.

Consider another conundrum. Boulder, Colorado (the scenic home of hobbyDB Headquarters), passed a law several years ago requiring houses over 50 years old to undergo an approval process by a city board if the owners wanted to do extensive renovations. At the time, it made sense, as houses of that age were built in the 1940s or before, many of them having some historic charm and significance. But with the passing of each year, a “50 year old house” was less and less significant architecturally.

The hobbyDB office built in 1968…

…and another 1968 house just down the next road.

Entire suburbs of more or less identical houses of that age just don’t seem to need that same kind of designation and protection. Sliding time frames like this don’t make a lot of sense after a while. The city realized this and altered the designation.

Also, consider what is a “classic” car. Again, in Colorado, it used to be that a driver could get official “Classic” plates for any car over 25 years old. The plates were less expensive and didn’t require modern emissions requirements, a great deal for muscle cars and anything earlier. In 1994, that meant cars from 1969 and older, most of which arguably stood the test of time to be called “classic.” But in 2018, that means a car from 1993.

Nothing against that Mercury Sable wagon, but calling it a “classic” is kind of head scratching.

 So there’s now a set date as the “Classic” designation, to be updated as needed.

A Facebook group called “Vintage Toys” only allows posts regarding 1994 and older collectibles. Why that designation? That doesn’t exactly fit the 15 year rule these days. It likely has to do with the age of the founders and moderators, and toys of that age hit a sweetspot with them emotionally, and later ones do not. If you don’t like it? You can start your own Facebook page.

Some categories or brands have their own distinctions that fill in those gaps between antique and vintage. Comic books, for instance, are generally divided into several ages:

  • Golden Age, 1938-1950  (from the debuts of Superman and Batman to the middle of the century)
  • Silver Age, Mid 1950s to 1970  (new advances in art, writing, and production values.)
  • Bronze Age, 1970-1985  (more serious, mature content and styling)

A few notable things… Why 1938 as the start? That was the time Action Comics (Superman) and Detective Comics (Batman) ushered in the more or less current definition of a “comic book.”

The Granddaddy of all comics.

Also, what about comics released in the last 30 years or so…are they worthless? No, they just need their own designation at some point, often just referred to as the “Modern Age.”

But what about 1951-1955? Turns out there is a gray area between the Golden and Silver ages, so something in that range could be considered to fall in either group depending on your tastes. Also, new self censorship guidelines debuted at this time, transforming the content considerably.

Hot Wheels is celebrating their 50th anniversary this year. Original cars sure seem old and rare. But by that definition, they are only halfway to “antique” status. On the other hand, calling them “vintage” seems unfair, which lumps 1968 releases in with 2003 releases.

Luckily, a brand such as Hot Wheels carries its own distinct eras… Redlines (1968-77) and Blackwalls (1977-94) cover the first two historic waves, and the rest can be broken down by various other distinctions such as Mainline or Treasure Hunts.

So back to that Batman clock… it’s from 1974. It’s undeniably cool. It’s not an antique. It’s certainly vintage. It can be reasonably called a classic. Your desire to own it and how much you are willing to pay will depend on a lot of criteria. But golly jeepers, you really should hear it!

Sergio Goldvarg (and possibly Batman) are on the hobbyDB Advisory Board

sergio goldvarg

Do you like waffles? Of course you do! And model cars? You bet! Then you’ll love Sergio Goldvarg, one of the members of the hobbyDB Advisory Board. He is lending us his considerable expertise on model cars, both as a manufacturer and a collector.

To say Sergio collects model cars is an understatement. He’s been featured in the Guiness Book of World Records for having the largest collection of large scale model cars, over 14,000 and counting.

waffleworks

Oh, we mentioned waffles earlier…Waffleworks restaurant in Hollywood, CA, not only serves fantastic breakfast all day, it also displays a good chunk of his collection on the walls, in cabinets, between the comfy booths. Waffleworks also hosts frequent car shows in the parking lot, where Batman sometimes shows up.

Sergio has a thing for the Batmobile, specifically the 1960s TV car built by George Barris. His collection includes several versions of it in different scales from 1:64 to pedal car size to… well, is a real 1:1 scale Batmobile considered a model? Because he has one of those as well.

sergio goldvarg

We’re not at liberty to say if Sergio is also Batman, but no one has ever seen the two of them in the same place. So jump to your own conclusions.

He’s owned many other interesting cars over the years as well, including a BMW Isetta, an Alfa Romeo 2600 Sprint Bertone and a Renault Gordon. You can see photos of them on his blog.

goldvarg collection mercury

As an architect, he has a keen eye for detail and thinking in scale, so it’s no surprise that he has also dabbled in his creating own line of model cars. He is the founder of Miniturbo Toys, makers of simple, colorful vehicles for young kids in the 1980s. And his Goldvarg Collection series featured highly detailed 1:43 scale white metal models of American cars from the ‘40s through the ’60s. Sergio has also served on the advisory board of model car manufacturers Buby and SunStar.

Sergio a founder and member of the the Diecast Hall of Fame. So far, there’s no Waffles Hall of Fame, but he should be a shoo-in for induction there, too.

Goldvarg collection

Here’s a good sample of the variety of cars offered by the Goldvarg Collection.